Oh no - Huck is still defending them on air (they did take an endorsement off his campaign site though)
I love how I've had to hear all these years the bullshit of "atheism leads you to a twisted morality, or no morality at all!!", hell, it just shat out of the Duck Dynasty asshole's lips a couple months ago, and then this shit happens, and you have a presidential candidate defending pedos. Where's the atheists defending Josh Duggar? Can't find 'em. They're fucking scarce. Nope, its all been ass-backwards. Always has been. Only religion can turn your morals so topsy-turvy.
I'm sure there are some atheist pedos out there. But they aren't pedos because atheism. And sorry to burst your bubble, but Josh Dugar ain't a pedo because Christianity. Now Huckabee on the other hand, he's just fucking crazy.
I don't think Dicky's said it's religion that makes pedos as much as religion is far, far more likely to make excuses for them and enable the behavior. Case in point: a church that decided to make the congregation adults only after their minister was busted for child porn. Also: the whole history of the Catholic Church.
It depends on how you determine allow. In a parental sense a lack of supervision may be a way they allow their kids to do wrong. When you allow your kids to act on their own, you allow them to do things they might get in trouble for. They cannot properly supervise that many children therefor Josh was allowed to act on his own which was part of the problem. A more aware parent may have caught the act sooner or explained to Josh sooner about appropriate and inappropriate touching. I blame their wacked out family and morals more than I blame Josh for the incident. I agree that it is unlikely that Josh is a pedo, and I would say he was a kid left to his own devices who was not aware of the moral implications of his actions. Again this goes back to terrible parenting by the duggars. What happened to him back then was probably what should have happened given he has not seemed to repeat any behavior. Be careful your teatard is showing. The duggars are what i would consider dangerous to their kids and poor parents. The incident with Josh could have been a lot worse had they been playing with knives, fire, on a tractor, in the trunk of the car, or in many other ways unsupervised kids die every year. 2 parents cannot watch that many kids, and it is down right irresponsible to birth that many in this day and age. It is also clear the wife suffers from the same thing Octomom does, and is two times worse. The fact these kids rely on education from two parents who are at the very low end of the intellectual spectrum certainly will come into play as they try to get a job and perform in society. This is wasteful of so many resources. About the only semi decent thing they did was to get on TV as a freak show so they can at least feed their crotch droppings, but how is that going to play in later life when these idiots go out to work? Then you have the poisoning of their minds with the religious cult. There are so many things wrong with them that the whole josh thing was about the most normal thing about them. There is a big difference between them not actually screwing up the Josh thing and that family being healthy or good. Remember reality TV is ripe with crazy shitbags no one wants to know. Getting on the reality TV freakshow is not a sign that you are a good person. They have a right to their opinion, and when they shout it at a lot of people they should also expect those people to say their opinion. They preached hate and OMG they got it back in return. Perhaps they should have been nice people. What the fuck are you talking about? I do not know any liberals who agree with polanski's actions. However, i do know a few right wing people who agree with police killing blacks. Dude, they are on reality TV. reality TV does not put normal boring people on it. They put the freaks on it. So yes they are freaks. If you have a problem with them being exploited nationally for being freaks i suggest you look at their parents because that is what they wanted. No one forced them to be on TV so people could gawk at them. Hell, even Octomom was mart enough to wander off without a show. As for the touching at that young an age, I do not think it is going to harm them greatly. Sometimes kids are alone and end up doing that and it does not screw them up for life. The problem is more with pedophelia where they are emotionally manipulated by the older person for nefarious reasons. Unless i hear otherwise Josh and them were just playing. The thing that will give them a complex and fuck them up is the parent's religion, and the parents putting them through all of this on national TV. That is where the twisting will come, because those parents are greedy and terrible, and reality TV gives no care to the people that are on it. But I do not watch it, so I do not give demand to it.
I would classify in what some would call atheism, though i am more agnostic. Though I think the family is wrong in this instance for their lack of supervision, I defend the actions Josh took were not pedophelia, and even some of the response the family had to it. I cannot defend all of their response as I am pretty sure they probably used a lot of christian mumbo jumbo when they talked to the kids, but I do not think Josh is a pedo or even perverted in any way unless I see something more than what i have. My problems with the family are far different, and in this case I do not think they are covering for Josh being a pedo. These kids have all sorts of media around them looking for some controversy. There is a ton of them, and you have way too many cracks for a big family secret like that to hide for long. I am actually surprised more claims have not come out for the purposes of controversy.
Careful -- there are some folks here who get really bent out of shape about people identifying as agnostic. They usually start ranting about unicorns.
It's not mere declaration of agnosticism that gets rants so much as agnostics who claim to be superior to atheists because of their "openmindedness" that in actuality amounts to nothing more than a special pleading that in the case of gods, unlike all other cases, a willingness to accept definitions so squishy as to be meaningless and an unwillingness to draw and act upon reasonable tentative conclusions are in order. It's just like how people don't get ranted at here for declaring themselves christians unless they get all high-and-mighty about it (Hi, Dayton!). If you try to justify agnosticism or assert its superiority, you should be prepared to have your epistemology deconstructed.
I don't know many agnostics who get all high and mighty about things. It is hard to get all high and mighty when your general philosophy begins with I don't really know but i like to guess sometimes. However, I find atheists as a group tend to have a similar ratio of pretentious turds as religion does. One only has to look as far as Bill Maher to find an atheist that needs a good fucking punch in the face about as bad as Rush Limbaugh. When you are getting moral lessons from Ben Afleck of all people you really have screwed the pooch and gone full retard. There are some decent atheists like there are some decent christians, but you have a bunch of them who put way too much of their identity into being atheist. It is like listening to some rabid star wars geek prattle on about how he is a jedi. What is wrong with being consistent anyways? If I get mad at the christian folk for making a defined description of a diety they know nothing about and take everything on faith, then can't i think an atheist is just as much of a dufus for declaring their cannot be a god while knowing their perception in this universe is highly limited to a physical body that is limited by space time to a very tiny little notion of what is going on?
Well first off all that's a mischaracterization of atheism. According to Merriam Webster, the best definition of atheism is "a disbelief in the existence of deity." I'm an atheist b/c I don't believe there is a deity. I don't believe there is a deity for the same reason I don't believe in lots of things, b/c I haven't seen proof, either physical or logical that there is a deity. Now were some deity to somehow show me some proof I'll be willing to change my mind. But until then I'm not "a person who does not have a definite belief about whether God exists or not", I straight up don't believe in a deity. Thus, atheist. I don't see what is so complicated about it.
Oh, there could be a Deist God. There cannot be a Theist God, because their own definitions for him within their myths don't work. For example, we're really, really, really, REALLY, REEEEAAAALLY sure the first man and woman weren't magically constructed 6000 years ago.
I'm waiting for the Onion article announcing archaeologists found Eve's skeleton, consisting only of a rib bone
And then comes the dance. Really, you atheists are pretty much like christians when you strip the story away. You are all about wanting proof, and I have just as much proof as I have an inkling to prove it to you. You take a stand on a specific belief just like the religious do. There is no deity or god. That is a statement that locks you into a specific belief. I remain open to the possibility that my tiny little observation of the universe really does not tell me that there is no god or deity. I believe that when I realize the complex way I came into being shows there is a good possibility there is some sort of deity out there. I will stop there as I am getting into the agnostic knowledge.
That is the problem when you start specifying specific ways god does things. One of the things that is really inconvenient for the faithful is that their god starts screwing up right about the edge of their knowledge.
It was a stupid show anyway. Of course television is full of stupid shows. Newton Minnow was right and hell he was talking back in the 1960s FWIR
I'm watching a History Channel series on Netflix called "the story of all of us" about the general history of mankind. At one point they showed some incredible achievements in engineering/construction/etc. that religion can inspire in people. But it's a double edged sword, as they poined out: religion can produce and achieve incredible, beautiful, productive things, but that same religion can flip-flop and display the most twisted, evil, violent acts you can imagine. Sorry but when you lose your basic reasoning and morality (going out of your head, selling out, not letting your conscience be your guide, call it what you want) that should be a red flag in every human brain that you are on the wrong path. If at any point you think "I thought this was wrong, but if god (or his middle men) says I should do it so who am I to argue?" all bets are off. BTW yesterday I thought about something: God flooded the world because it was "evil" right? But there were not that many people even around back then. Possibly about as many as got killed in Hiroshima/Nagasaki. So if we can do it, god can do it too. My point is why not just kill the evil humans and leave the animals alone? Why be such a dick about things? Flooding the world was his "go-to plan" to get rid of mankind? Would any sane rational person come up with a more piss-poor wasteful plan as this? Fucking Neanderthals were smarter than that. Just sayin'
I take issue with the "it inspires great art", deal. The people of centuries past were inundated in a religious culture, where often non-belief could get you burned to death. We'll never be able to look at the alternate timeline where Mozart and Michelangelo could do works inspired by Darwin and the double helix, so we can't really properly run the experiment to confirm the assertion either way.
In the case of any artist working for the Vatican, the inspiration was called sponsorship. The Vatican was the NEA of its era...
Just rename the show 19 kids a diddling and throw some more jesus in there and the fundies will overlook it. It wasn't like those kids were going to grow into productive members of society anyway. Around here we call that white trash. Give them some whiskey or some crack and that is all they need to survive. It wasn't like they were going to be rocket scientists anyway. The best they could aspire to would be midwest tea party candidate for president, and I think we already have about 19 retards for that.
This doesn't necessarily make television better though. TLC will more than likely just move on to some other Jesus-juice drenched nightmare.
You arte never going to get the christinsane off the air. They have their own channels and plenty of sheep. But we can take a little bit of joy at watching the downfall of this group of inbred fucktards for jesus. I am not really sure why jesus attracts the dumbasses of the world. If he were real I would imagine it would just be another suffering god gave him. The christian god could be a lot of things, but I am pretty sure worst father ever is a title he has won time and time again. That is why christians are so fucked up, their father in heaven is the biggest abuser of all time. If you look at it from their perspective he invented abuse just to hurt them. Yeah I would be a little twitchy and paranoid if I actually believed that shit too. Perhaps we have been treating christians all wrong. Maybe they just need some abuse counseling and an adult to intervene between them and their imaginary abusive dad in the sky.
