Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

Hear what voters who didn't vote for Harris because of Gaza are saying now



Fuck you all, you bunch of morons.

Germany gets the guy who says "obdurate" we get "hamberder" guy.

Yes, and applying this dogshit attitude to your modding is why WF even exists.
Congratulations.

Seriously... think of the mentality it took to hold your nose and vote for Trump because of this issue.

"I obviously don't care about the United States of America, which is now my homeland, because I'm voting for the guy who might be slightly less evil than the Democrats on Gaza. Never mind that he will do his very best to tear down America's institutions. I really only care about the place where I was born."

More revelations. This stuff tends to come out in the Israeli media, but the west buries it.

https://www.972mag.com/tunnels-hamas-lethal-gas-bombs-gaza/

They weren't sure where the tunnels were, so they levelled entire neighbourhoods and flooded everything with poison gas, killing hundreds indiscriminately at a time including their own people who were hostage.

Understood.

Face, meet leopard.

If liberals spent a tenth of the time fighting genocide and fascism as they do trying to find some contradiction between "we won't vote for genocide" and "we need to fight fascism", then there might be neither.

I understand your point.
What you don't understand is, everyone with half a brain saw this coming.
Another point: Jews are 0.04% of the population in Ireland.
In all of Europe, the Jewish population is about 0.3% of the total population.
In the United States, it's 2.4%. In contrast, the Muslim population in the US is 1.34%
Whether any of us like it or not, that is a significant number. Any politician in the USA has to walk a tightrope in order to appeal to that electorate. Nothing to mention fighting against the perception in the US of Jews=Victims, Muslims=Terrorists, which was not helped at all by Oct. 7th.
The fact that so many in this country are coming out vocally against Israel is a sign of just how blatantly they've abused that victim perception in the wake of Oct. 7th. But it's still not enough for any national politician to full- throatedly call Israel genocidal without torpedoing they election chances.
That's not the case anywhere in Europe, where not only is the Jewish population practically nonexistent, but the Muslim population is about 4.4%, excluding Turkey. It's a lot easier for a politician to push back against Israel in that environment.
With that being said: It would have been better for Muslims and Palestinian supporters to vote for Harris, because she at least was vocally critical of Netanyahu and the way Israel was waging their war.
Is it right? Not really. It'd be nice if Jews didn't tend to believe Israel can do no wrong. But in order to have power to do anything, you have to convince those Jews to vote for you.

This is a falsehood. If you're going to peddle the "lesser of two evils" line and outsource morality to an electoral calculation, then at least don't make stuff up.

That's about as forceful as someone not wearing a hijab can be, if they want any hope of winning a national US election.
Edit: Also, I'm not Uncle Albert. I never just make stuff up. I'm happy to provide my evidence if needed, but I'd expect you to respect me enough to not assume/accuse me of fabricating things to support my argument. I pride myself on basing my opinions on fact.

I don't think you're intentionally fabricating anything, I think you're engaged in motivated reasoning. Neither of those examples are what you claimed, and you've essentially admitted as much by adding another caveat about needing to win an election.

It's not a caveat, it's the whole point.
If you're going to get a net negative on voter support by harshly criticizing Israel and end up losing the election, is it not better to modify your rhetoric and expect the more ardent anti-Israelis to realize that you have to tread lightly?
This is literally Rhetoric 101. One of the main things I taught my students is that if you're too abrasive, you've lost your audience.

On the one side we have the Face Eating Leopards party.

On the other side we have the selling Leopards to the people who say they want Leopards to eat faces, but we won't eat faces ourself but will make an occasional sad face when they do (but also take the occasional nibble) party.

Lol stupid voters not realizing the second team were the good guys just because of little things like faces getting eaten either way, and not holding their noses to vote for them anyway because while their faces were inevitably getting eaten, some of the people cheering it on would be better off.

Trump freezes aid to South Africa over controversial land law

From the third paragraph of the Trump Executive Order:

"In addition, South Africa has taken aggressive positions towards the United States and its allies, including accusing Israel, not Hamas, of genocide in the International Court of Justice"

So Trump has said Israel should "let all hell break loose" if all remaining Hamas-held hostages aren't released by Saturday at noon.

It's almost like he was planning on letting Bibi do whatever he wanted from the start.

None of the involved parties have behaved honorably here. And back to massacring children we go, it seems.

Or happily, maybe not. Unclear what has been happening or what will happen, but it seems that the Israelis suddenly decided to fulfil more of their obligations under the deal, so things are back track.

Accepting the premise of your analogy, I get the POV that there's no point in voting for either party as, either way, leopards are going to be eating faces. I disagree with it, but I understand both the notion that it's immoral to vote for someone who supports leopard attacks in any way, or the sort of despair at being powerless to stop leopards attacks.

However, I don't get the following:

• Not taking into account that the aggressive stance toward face eating by leopards is probably more likely to end up with more faces being eaten than the selling leopards stance would, and should be avoided
• Actively voting for the Face Eating Leopards Party as someone who wants to prevent leopards from eating faces as a primary goal, because that will lead to increased leopard attacks. It will either help the Face Eating Leopards party get in power, in which case it will claim a mandate for Face Eating, or in the event the Selling Leopards..party wins, it will help them to think that maybe they should have taken a stronger pro-Face Eating stand.
• Not factoring in that there are numerous other issues that the Face Eating Leopards Party stands for, many of which are just as bad as their enthusiasm for having leopards eat faces, and if the Selling Leopards... Party is better on those, that it might be better to go with the Selling Leopards party.
• Voting for the No Leopards Party in a system where there is a less than a 1 percent chance that it can actually win, where there is a 99 percent chance that it will either be the Face Eating Leopards or the Selling Leopards, and where it increases the chances of the Face Eating Leopards Party winning substantially
• Thinking that the Face Eating Leopards Party is actually going to stop in any meaningful way leopards from eating faces.
• Blaming the Selling Leopards Party as if they are singlehandedly responsible for the eating of faces and somehow not factoring in that the Face-Eating Leopards Party has historically been pro-leopard , currently has a majority in both houses and has relentlessly attacked the Selling Leopards Party as anti-leopard with the few steps they've done to try to curb leopards eating faces, such as feeding the leopards things other than faces, or trying to get some of the potential leopard victims leopard-proof face masks.

But the important thing here is that Joe Biden is the real victim.

I don't disagree with the overall logic, but the base thing is that a lot of the argument is rooted in the idea that their lives are just simply worth less, because you can damn well guarantee if Biden had been supplying weapons and support to a US governor doing a similar level of destruction inside the US, most of the "lesser of two evils" people would suddenly find they couldn't actually endorse him.

https://archive.is/qyAMC

Long but good read from the Economist’s long form magazine.

https://archive.ph/g2coh

Looking likely again that Israeli violence will resume in earnest in the coming days. During the ceasefire, they killed over 100 people in Gaza, didn't allow materials in as agreed, didn't withdraw from areas that they agreed and refused to send anyone to negotiate the second phase. Now they are refusing to hand over the hostages they have, just as they invade the West Bank with tanks and continue to occupy parts of Lebanon in violation of the separate ceasefire agreement there.

I miss longform.org.

Remember when I posted this ^ and @RickDeckard thought it was dumb. Well today Trump posted this video of his vision for Gaza:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-s...ded-belly-dancers-and-gold-statue-of-himself/

Literally has Trump Hotel Gaza and I'm pretty sure there's a dude eating a falafel near the end

Other than that I just don't have the words to describe how awful and tasteless this is, even for Trump

Have a pos-rep then. It is both tasteless and dumb. And it will never happen.