"Mens Rights Activists" Impersonate Domestic Violence Organization online. Hilarity ensues.

Also, if she thinks there is a market for the games she prefers why not get together with hher backers and make those games? You know, go beyond just complaining about other people's work and show us all how it should be done. Show us some of that free agency she says these games are robbing her of.

Be part of the solution instead of just a complainer. She has a soap box and an adoring audience so she should be able to find backers as well as a talented staff to help her pull it off. I wonder why she's not doing that? I can come up with several possibilities but I will wait to see what you have to say.

Slightly unfair still, because the whole of games could change just by adding new types without taking others away, but that is minor and not the point I'm criticizing. I'm criticizing that you're saying she claims that games cause rape, which she explicitly denies; and that you're saying she calls for censorship. Saying that I want certain cultural products to be made or not made is not asserting the power or right to force people to comply. Otherwise, every criticism you're directing at Sarkeesian would automatically mean you want her censored.

Yeah, she obviously isn't saying that either. Come on.

No, she literally said that in one of her troupes videos. She literally said the damsel in distress troupes "robs women of their free agency and reduces them to the status of mere objects".

I already went over the self censorship part and provided an example of how critiques can be made without demanding self censorship.

I give what I get.
To any of you that still suffer the delusion that anything you say or do is going to make me hang my head and go "yes sir ", in a Droopy voice, I don't know what fucking alternate universe board you've reading the past decade and change.
Get nasty or snotty with me, I go for your eyes.
Want a gentler response, cut it the fuck out yourself.

The depicted women, the ones created as damsels in distress, the women in the game and in the story, not the cultural critic who has just raised 160k to criticize the game. But you must have known that, right? You're not really this dumb? Please tell me you're just stringing me along for your amusement now.

And you're going to fantasize getting it from me just as you fantasize getting it from Sarkeesian. And I can't stop you, but I'm not about to make it easy for you.

a) I'm not sure what example you're talking about, please provide a link;
b) it won't change the fact that her videos are also examples of how to provide criticism without demanding censorship.

You're asking too much of human nature for these CEOs to abandon something that makes them money.
The new generation of indie gamer kids will have to become the new bosses.

I's askeered.

I have more faith in gamers than that. I don't think Hitman would have sold worse if it didn't allow you to drag around dead hookers.

Interestingly enough there are 40 different walk throughs of the game on youtube and not asingle person decidd to do that other than Sarkeesian. The reason is the game penalizes people for killing civilians and that whole chapter was about stopping human trafficking. Hell, it was one of ten parts to that chapter and one of over 40 chapters yet she cherry picked one example whiile ignoring the whole.

This happens over and over in her work and numerous bloggers, including some I linked above, went over exampless in great detail.

So you would agree that the game would sell just as well if that bit wasn't there?

As do I.
Suits don't. That's the point.

Yeah, dead women don't do anything for me, I'm not a necrophile.
I don't know what the hell that's about.

On the one hand, you look at stats, and sexual violence is more widespread than any other form of violent crime, so the argument can be made that games need that stuff to honestly depict a realistic world...but on the other hand, it's not being committed by mustache twirling villains so that's not real.
On the other-other hand, fantasies need to simplify, cuz it's fantasy.
I mean, you could make a game where you bring a hostage taker down with 8 hours of talk instead of bullets, but would anyone play it?
It's a balance, and I don't know if anyone has the magic formula yet.

But back to the dead hooker, I really don't know the context.
He FINDS her, so one assumes he didn't kill her.
He tosses her at the police to distract them from his activities, whatever they are.
Is he just distracting them, is he a completely amoral character, is he killing two birds with one stone by helping point them in the direction of the real slayer of the hooker, I don't know what the storyline is.

So let's tell them. We could make a kickstarter campaign and a set of videos that get their attention. Oh, wait.

When has that ever been the goal of a video game?

I would play that in a heartbeat, if it were well done.

I think you might be mixing up two scenes here; the one we were discussing earlier has him killing hookers rather than sneaking past them, and shows what he can do with the bodies afterwards, because they have been designed as draggable 3D-objects, with bending joints and all. Which, you know, has to be put in deliberately, it doesn't just happen. I think suits could be made to understand that it doesn't need to be there in order to sell that game.

I can't tell if it's funny or sad that they don't even really see it.

Uh, no, no you can't. It's right there in the word. Words mean things, you can't just up and decide it means something it doesn't.

Jesus Christ, do you guys read anything to completion?

From Dictionary.com:
misogynist
[mi-soj-uh-nist, mahy‐]

noun
1.
a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women.


From the Oxford Dictionary:
misogyny
Syllabification: mi·sog·y·ny
Pronunciation: /məˈsäjənē
/
noun
Dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women: she felt she was struggling against thinly disguised misogyny


You can be a misogynist and not hate women. A misogynist is someone with a bias against women, can distrust them, be suspicious of them, but that doesn't mean a misogynist actually hates women.

Though I do like how you love to split hairs over meanings and phrases until you come upon something you want to mean only one thing.

So hello, welcome to the world of language. It will be glorious, magnificent, wondrous, splendid, amazing, transcendent, marvelous, and awesome.

So, can you ever be disgusted by and distrust and be suspicious of ANY woman?
Because shit, you'd better start liking Anne Coulter.
You thinking she's an evil con-artist, and Thunderfoot thinking Anita Sarkeesian is an evil con-artist look exactly the same.

How about we filter everyone we like/dislike through a feminsist for permission?

Man- Can...can I hate Anne Coulter?

Feminist- Yes, she actually is an evil cunt.

Man- How...how about Kathy Lee Gifford?

Feminist- Oooo, tricky...

Use the matrix set forth here...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2009/11/is_liberal_disdain_for_sarah_p.html

So, to reiterate, it's right there in the word. Words mean things. This particular one comes to us from Greek - misos, meaning hatred, and gynos, meaning woman. I know it's a real big thing for certain people to try to change the meaning of words, so I again can't help but express some surprise that you'd be one of them, John. But no matter how much you want a word to mean something different than what it does, even if you still want the negativity associated with it, you can't, because the word's meaning is right there in the word itself. This makes it all the more amusing when you snark at me about the "world of language."

I wash my hands of those "liberals".
I never gave a shit about Palin's clothes, or voice, or accent, or lifestyle, or even that she shoots animals.
Don't care.
I cared about her backward Biblethumper horseshit.

And while we're on superficialities, I love it how when a woman is all pink and girly, she's "absorbed harmful identity cues from the patriarchy", but if a trans does it "you go girlfriend!! ".

You're hilarious.

It's a gift. #blessed

I've looked up the definition from several different sources and every single one of them me tions hatred of women. Usually as their first listed and thus most common definition. Is it possible that it can occasionally mean something slightly different like bias against women? Yes, but the usual definition is hatred against women which is why 90% of the people who throw the term around don't even know what they're talking about.

What kind of feminists are you hanging around with, anyway? Or is that just what they say in your head?

Sorry, no. If 90% of the people who use the term disagree with your definition, it isn't the "most common definition".

Hypothesis: Gamers have a lower comprehension of numerical data than the non-gamer population.

• Exhibit A: @Archangel and his "billions" of incidences of violence against women in television
• Exhibit B: @Dinner's failure to understand that there's a reason why "90% of people disagree with me"

Granted, it's a very small sample size, but the hyperbolic tone, along with @Captain X's constant repetition of the mantra "hypocrisy" (at least he knows how to spell it), suggests the kind of faith in the absence of facts usually reserved for more formalized religions.

All hail Teh Gaamz!