The Southern Swastika

So I read that the creator said the white field represented the white race, and I thought "That's stupid. Whites aren't actually white, they're kind of tan."

So I took a color sample off this Arizona cheerleaders tummy and used it for the field.



The result was:

I'm thinking if you took a sample off that cheerleader's tummy after I got through with her you would have your white sample...........

Do Rose McGowan.

It looks like the Confederacy already did! Either the lighting is way too bright in that photo or UV never strikes her body.

In an official capacity, none. But that goddamn flag is everyfuckinwhere in the south, while any of the true Confederate flags are damn hard to find outside of a museum or antique store. The south embraced it as their symbol of resistance to the civil rights era, and most assuredly promoted it everywhere as THE Confederate flag.

By that standard, it's everyfuckinwhere in the whole United States...not just the south. Have you been everyfuckinwhere in the South? Because I've lived my whole life in the South, and until a week or so ago, I hardly ever saw it.

Ironically (unless I'm using that term wrong), the place I see it most often is in the Smokey Mountains. Almost everybody there were either didn't care who won or were Union sympathisers during the war.

Mississippi disagrees!

Nope. Mississippi has the Southern Cross in it's state flag, but it doesn't fly the battle flag.

I'm surprised by how common it is in the north. But nothing like in the south. That you haven't noticed it until recently... well, we tend to ignore the commonplace until it's brought to our attention. For instance, I've become blind to the black and white checkered flag motif banners/decorations that pop up throughout the entire state of Indiana during the month of May.

True. Miss, like Georgia, did't fly the battle flag itself, but instead had it integrated into their official state flags. I'm pretty sure there were others as well, but, like Georgia, it appears that they eventually wised up and dropped it.

It's not commonplace in the South from my perspective...and my perspective comes from someone who lives here. I notice it when I see it. I usually see it every day, but it's always on one particular dump truck that I see when ever I'm going to work. Other than that...nothing.

So you live in the South? Whereabouts?

Not really seeing a difference. Same White trimmed blue stripe in an "x" pattern, festooned with 13 white stars, on a field of red. The symbol in the upper left quadrant of the Mississippi flag looks identical to the Battle flag on the right, save in scale.

Pass through frequently while Florida bound. I notice a shitload of them down there. Far more than I see up north by a longshot.

Not "really seeing the difference" between those two flags? Are you blind?

Wow, MAOHS, you must lived a charmed life.

I knew guys in northern virginia that had it up on their walls. I've seen it when I've travelled in VA, NC, SC, TN, and FL. It may not be common, but it sure as heck ain't rare.

Are you incapable of reading?
Allow me to repeat

Honest to God. I've lived in NC and TN, and pretty much the only place I've seen it is in places that sell it. That's not to say I've never seen it flying from some pickup truck here and there, but yeah...rarely.

Are you incapable of reading?

Allow me to repeat

Couple of posts before...

We were specifically talking about states that integrated the battle flag to their state flags. Not flown the battle flag itself, but altered their state flag to incorporate the CBF into their state flag design. Like putting it in the upper left quadrant, like Mississippi did.
I stand by what I said. The pattern/symbol/whatever ya wanna call it, in the upper left quadrant of Mississippi's flag, is identical to the Confederate battle flag, and if you can't see it, it is you who are blind.

Bullshit.

I never claimed that no Southern states had the Southern Cross in their state flags. Hell, I never even claimed that no Southern states were flying the Confederate battle flag. I just asked you to back up YOUR claim that all of them were.

And I corrected myself about southern states currently flying the CBF in any official capacity, in my very next post, and then proceeded to the flag's very common usage in the south.

Liet then reminded me of the Mississippi flag, and introduced the topic of southern states that incorporated the CBF into their state flag design. Wherein you seemingly lost touch with reality.

I repeat....again

Show me where I denied that they integrated the Southern Cross into their state flag.

The upper left quadrant is called the canton, and what's in the canton is often flown by itself as a naval jack flag at the bow of the ship on the jackmast. The canton of the US flag (blue with 50 stars), when flown as a naval jack, is called the Union Jack, as is the British flag, which appears in the cantons of over a dozen flags used in other countries. Jack of the United States.

The Confederacy flew what we call the Confederate Battle flag as a jack on their ships.

Wow... now we're dealing with Castle-esque semantics?!? I never even implied that you denied that they integrated the Southern Cross into their state flag, so that is a non-issue. But seeing as what you call the southern cross is i-fucking-dentical to the CBF, it hardly matters.

It is identical to the CBF. We're obviously arguing across each other. Just to clear things up...clarify to me where our disagreement is here.

Bele: It is obvious to the most simpleminded that Lokai is of an inferior breed.

Mr. Spock: The obvious visual evidence, Commissioner, is that he is of the same breed as yourself.

Bele: Are you blind, Commander Spock? Well, look at me. Look at me!

Captain James T. Kirk: You are black on one side and white on the other.

Bele: I am black on the right side!

Captain James T. Kirk: I fail to see the significant difference.

Bele: Lokai is right on the white side. All of his people are right on the white side.

Not a freakin' clue. D'oh.





Thanks Tuckerfan.

Well okay then.

Well, one key difference is that the CBF was made with slave labor while the modern state flags are made with Chinese labor.

Hey... sorry if I went a smidge over the top. Sister-in-law in hospice dying of the Big C. I've got the worst Summer cold I've ever had, and have produced close to my own body mass in snotty kleenex, Missed the Rolling Stones who were performing in Indy tonite as a result, as well as the fireworks afterward. I'm kind of in a crappy mood.


And holy shit... Georgie made a funny! An intentional funny. And surprisingly, a much needed funny. Thanks.

Now, I can't really say that anymore because I've seen A LOT of them in the last ten days or so. But, the point still holds.

Your disagreement is that @Man Afraid of his Shoes' earlier statement could be read as making a distinction between the Southern Cross and the battle flag, rather than between integrating either into your flag or flying it directly, because the two halves of his sentence differ in both regards:

So @Chardman pointed out he didn't see a huge difference between the Southern Cross and the battle flag in the top left corner of the Mississippi flag. Note that neither of you have said the other was wrong about anything, only staunchly defended yourselves against the idea that the other believed you were wrong.

That will be my usual hourly fee with a bonus for the weekends, please.