The Southern Swastika is known as the confederate flag. It is time we stop pretending this symbol has not been at the very least hijacked to mean white power and racial purity. I know some of you are going to say it means something different to me, and I do not fucking believe you. You are like the nazis who pretend that the swastika should be displayed because it is a symbol for peace or something like that in the hindu religion. Pardon me for my mistakes on the nice meaning of the swastika. The reality is gety another symbol that one is hijacked and you lost the battle. There might have been a time where you could have argued two meanings for these symbols, but that time is over. The hateful have firmly won the battle and the symbol now means hate and racism. A truly peaceful person whop wants to spread good feelings and love would understand this and chose a symbol not corrupted by hate. For you to pretend you are a peaceful person flying or displaying those symbols is simply a fucking lie for that reason. If you really were that sort of person you would make the tiny bit of effort to make sure you were not inciting violence or treading on other people's feelings, so you are not displaying it in peace. It does not make any sort of logical sense. This is why that symbol needs to be removed from any flag or government building in the US. Hey, it may be a part of your state's history, but now it has come to mean oppression and prejudice which cannot be a part of our government. It should be remembered in museums and history books what it was used for (Honestly and not in a texan fashion). Just like the swastika it should be displayed as parts of our history where we learned to rise above such things. However, it should no longer be displayed in our present state as some people have seem to become very confused (AKA cops) that it might still be part of our beliefs. We need to take it out and take it out because of what it represents to say firmly these beliefs have no place in our government anymore. They may be a part of our past, but we are leaving them there and not bringing them with us because they are a negative aspect of who we used to be. And yes giving up a symbol is the least one can do to show those who are intimidated by it and those who would use it to intimidate others that it is not a part of modern america's attitude and it is in it's grave where it and attitudes like it belong. If you need a symbol of southern rebel please do make a new one and remember to keep it clean from racism and hate. If you want it to be a sign of noble and honest beliefs then make sure it is flown for those reasons and not above organized hate. However, you have lost this symbol due to your own lax attitudes and acceptance of racism and hate into your numbers.
Why is that flag still being flown?!? Cultural heritage doesn't cut it when it comes to symbols of hate and opression...
Okay, here's the thing. I do think that in the current climate it is best not flown, but surely the real question is whether or not a symbol can be reclaimed? For a while the Union Flag and flag of St George managed to get an associated with the far right in the UK. As such there was a time when the wider population would retreat from desplaying them. Should we have therefore banned our national flag? No. It was reclaimed. The Swastika was not a offensive symbol and my understanding is that what is known as the confederate flag started as a battle flag and that it's intention wasn't to symbolise the politics of the war, but rather inspire the troops. These aren't irrelevant considerations as the OP seeks to claim. So isn't the real debate about reclaiming these designs from those who would misuse them? Shouldn't the debate really be about the evil in the people who misuse them rather than the designs themselves?
Being america the symbol could be banned for a time and then re-addressed later if the public wanted to have it. Sometimes we can do that. So your wishy washiness is not a point.
To many people this is a symbol of hate and racism. And to a lot of Mexicans the current US flag is a symbol of hate and racism, to the point where displaying it at school in some locations (especially on Cinco De Mayo) will incite violence. Baby steps I guess, but we as a nation will get there.
In order to reclaim it, you'd actually have to do some reclaiming; use it to symbolize some active, positive values in order to create new or reawaken old associations. What values does it stand for, other than a vague and insincere feeling of revanchism?
I don't know enough about it's origins to answer that. My argument is simply that just because and image or design has come to mean something, it doesn't mean it has to remain that way.
I know! This would be a perfect symbol of Southern pride. It's even got the word "south" on it and everything. Aw, dammit! That complicates things. A redesign then: It's not racist because people of all races are participating in the lynching of that colore... I mean, the hanging of that man who happens to be black. Also, they're all holding hands, in unity.
So in other words you are prone to being manipulated into doing the wrong thing out of spite. Hence making you wishy washy, and making me correct, but don't let the truth bother you chuppie. Gturned could say the sky is blue and I might look up just to make sure, but I am not going to disagree with him because he is Gturner because that would be really fucking stoopid and pretty much puts you in with people who hate something just because it comes from Obama stoopid. But if you are cool with being there then who am I to stop you.
You should probably not do that sort of thing in the future. You are not very good at it. Get a different symbol, and I am pretty sure if you want to use lynching as that symbol it would also be considered offensive and stupid. Seems to me that you like the fact that the southern swastika is associated with racism. Seems to me that all your pissing and moaning is because you want to fly it in other people's faces to be a dick. I have no problem with any backlash you get from that because you are not being respectful or peaceful when flying that fucking thing.
True, but it's still banned, like all Nazi symbolism, in Germany... It's still used by right-wing groups in demonstrations/gatherings, just like the confederate flag is still used by racist groups in the USA... As long as it is used as a symbol for that vile mindset it will always be viewed as a symbol of oppression and hate...
You are aware that they have come to be that way for a reason. You have free speech in the republican party, but that does not mean they are free from being racist assholes when they say racist things. When you degrade a whole country full of people like we have with mexicans it might be our big fat mouthes that cause our country to be seen as racist. For example, I understand Japan is very racist towards white people especially in their older citizens. They have that reputation for a reason, even though many of them probably would not give you shit to your face. So please do step into reality for us because your faux bubble is not the real world we live in.
"If you need a symbol of southern rebel please do make a new one and remember to keep it clean from racism and hate. " - Tererun We all express idiotic nonsensical ideas from time to time, but you have indeed raised the bar. ANY FUCKING SYMBOL OF A SOUTHERN REBEL WILL BE INTERPRETED AS RACIST AND HATEFUL If you don't like southern rebels anything reminding you of them can only be a hate/racist factor because that's what southern rebels mean to you, the put upon/oppressed. What possible symbol would convey "hey, those rebels weren't so bad after all"?
A picture of Stonewall Jackson praying next to a black guy with an old white lady behind them crying into her hanky.
Self-hatred (also called self-loathing) refers to an extreme dislike or hatred of oneself, or being angry at or even prejudiced against oneself. The term is also used to designate a dislike or hatred of a group, family, social class, mental illness, or stereotype to which one belongs and/or has. So about free speech: the Republicans are allowed to practice "free speech" but only if they first run it by the Democrats/liberals for approval? Jesus do you come from a long line of tyrannical despot dictators or something? Is that the kind of "real world" you live in? Wow..........
No one said any of that so please do stop lying and making shit up. What I did say is that when the republican party repeatedly says racist things and does things to make it harder for black people to exist that they will be considered racist. You do not have to run that shit by the democrats, but you do have to run it by a dictionary. It is racist because that is what it means to be racist. If you do not like being racist, you should stop being racist and do not worry about the democrats. If you continue to herald racist people you will be considered racist because that is the definition of racism. It has nothing to do with democrats at all you old retard.
I'll just repeat what I said in the 2016 election thread. I wish people from outside my state would stop telling us what to do in my state. I'm so sick of this argument. The Confederacy lasted four years. The U.S. flag has been flying for over 200 years and has been a "symbol of racism" for a lot longer. If the people of South Carolina want the flag to be taken down, they can decide that for themselves, we don't need outsiders to tell us what to do in our state.
Are you admitting that southern rebels are inherently racist? Because I left room in there for some who might not be. It is funny watching all the racist whine while I leave plenty of room for people to vacate the area. At this point, if you are defending the southern swastika you are a racist, plain and simple. Even the accidental racist paula dean decided to give that shit up and make delicious food. You are fucking racist, just keep proving it. You are the people who share ideology with the kid who shot up that church. You may not shoot up a church yourself, but you share his hate and a lot of his other ideas. Keep trying to lie, you are still a fucking racist.
Hey, I still have my south carolina driver's license so I guess your attempt to take everyone else out because they do not live there doesn't include me as a resident of the state? As a resident of south carolina I say shut the fuck up and take down that racist flag.
Umm... tererun pointing out that racist Republican speech fosters racism, doesn't imply that Republicans aren't allowed to say that shit. s/he certainly didn't suggested that their words should be suppressed or vetted by Democrats. Just placing blame where it's due.
Anyone who doesn't agree with you, think like you, has a differing opinion, act like you, etc. is a racist, got it. And everyone defending the right to display a flag that may offend others is a racist, got it. And if you don't have a seizure when you see a rebel flag because (unless you can read minds, like yourself for example) some people actually see more than just hate and racism. You know I do hate to sound like a broken record (I'm sure you can relate) but I love the shit out of The Constitution. Innocent until proven guilty, the right to bear arms, the right to free speech and lawful assembly, you name it and it's covered.
