The Southern Swastika

I think calling the Confederate battle flag a "southern swastika" is excessive anyway.

Regardless of the obvious evils of slavery, the slave states never tried to commit genocide.

That could very well be the reasoning.

That really doesn't work. The idea that the only symbol that could be used to represent Southern pride is the Confederate Battle Flag is a vastly bigger insult to the South, by many orders of magnitude, than any views about the South held by non-Southerners. There are all kinds of other symbols that Southerners would choose to represent the South if they wanted to choose a symbol that didn't explicitly affirm the belief that non-white people are, in the proper order of things, the subjects and property of white people.

The best that can be said about the Confederate Battle Flag is that people might have adopted it as a symbol of Southern pride completely thoughtlessly, because they were told to do so, without any consideration of the history of the flag or its current meaning to other people.

And again I can only think, pride on what? Losing?

I've already given multiple examples of losing efforts that are a great point of national or regional pride both in the U.S. and around the world.

Otherwise, explain why the Alamo is well known but not San Jacinto?

The Confederate Flag belongs in a museum.


CHARLESTON, S.C. — A group of Charleston-area political and religious leaders are calling on state lawmakers to vote this week
to remove the Confederate flag from South Carolina’s capital grounds.

Officials including Charleston Mayor Joseph P. Riley Jr. and Democratic state Sen. Marlon Kimpson in North Charleston
called on legislators to stay in session and vote as early as Tuesday to take down the flag from its place in front of the statehouse in Columbia.

The Rev. Nelson B Rivers III of the National Action Network said the flag should be removed
before the body of State Senator Clementa Pinckney lies in state at the Statehouse on Wednesday.
Pinckney and eight other church members were shot to death last week as they attended Bible study at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.

Link: http://6abc.com/news/charleston-leaders-call-for-confederate-flags-removal/799104/


South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley will hold a press conference at 4:00 PM eastern time, this afternoon.

Link: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/sou...r-confederate-flag-removal-at-monday-presser/

Doing something just because someone says you can't (or shouldn't) is pretty much what the US is all about. They may just find a better symbol that's not interpreted as racist but REALLY pisses off us uppity smart-ass Yankees!
BTW that Southern accent is going away FAST around this part of Georgia. Trust me, I know a shitload of them and you can hear a huge difference in the older, native Southerners and their children and especially grand-children. With Yankee accents (or lack of any accent) pretty much "the standard" for TV, movies, etc.etc. and schools flooded with yankee teachers and students and southerners marrying yankees, a lot of kids don't speak "southern" because they hear it less and less every year. On my block for example there are about two dozen homes, but less than a handful of native Georgians. And Atlanta? Forget about it, it's like Ellis Island in that city when it comes to a melting pot.

Well! That escalated quickly! But hey, if that's what the people want, then I guess it goes into a museum.

So they could keep their flag when it was only associated with killing hundreds of thousands of Republicans, but kill nine Democrats and it has to come down?

Of the ass?

Accents in general have changed over the years. Go pick up any movie from before, say, 1970 (specifically from the Golden Age of movies) and you can hear that the accents then and the Yankee one of today sounds worlds apart.

South Carolina didn't put the Confederate Battle Flag over their capitol until 1962 as a reaction to the Civil Rights Movement.

That's not history, that's a statement. 'The Feds can force us to integrate at gunpoint, but look at this flag and know who runs the state, and what we think about you.'

It was put there by Fritz Hollings, who didn't leave the Senate until 2005. Now he writes for the Huffington Post.

And?

and somebody should ask him if it's okay to take it down now that Republicans hold both houses of the South Carolina legislature and the governorship.

That's not what you're doing at all. You're trying to deflect what was happening in the South by saying utterly ridiculous things like "some European guy in 1650 bought some cotton once and even though he most likely had no idea where it came from, he is complicit in the act of slavery, on or near the level of what Southern masters were doing to their slaves."

That's such a a fucking reach and has no bearing on anything at all and makes you look desperate to diminish what was actually happening in the South. You're even lamentably describing the South as "the fall guy" as if they shouldn't have been. The North and the rest of the world have moved onwards and upwards, yet in the South hundreds of years later some people are still bitter and jaded at the fact slavery was abolished in the first place and have carried forward those racist attitudes. That should tell you something, bro.

Next you'll be telling us that slaves loved their masters and this was all just one big misunderstanding.

Nikki Halley appeared with Senators Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham and said "Today we are here in a moment of unity to say it's time to move the flag from the capitol grounds."

Republicans were cutting down the flags raised by proud and defiant Democrats a lot in the 1860's, and they're still at it.

You're wrong as usual. WalMart only buys from factories that have 3rd party social accountability audits in place that protect the workers in terms of hours, safe working conditions, paid overtime, etc.

They will not deal with a factory that does not have one of these audits, compliance is mandatory. They even set up a purchasing office in Shanghai that engages in surprise visits to their suppliers to see if they are being compliant.

Do your homework.

And if you believe that, Walmart also has a bridge to sell you.

Damn. They sell everything, don't they!

Except I do business with WalMart, am invited on all their tenders pertaining to my category and have seen it first hand.

What's your relationship with WalMart other than "angry consumer"?

Holy shit




http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-92-clinton-gore-confederate-campaign-button/

In 1987, then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton signed Act 116. It had little consequences other than to reaffirm the state’s language that honored the stars on the Arkansas flag as commemorating the Confederate flag. The act specifically says, “The blue star above the word ‘ARKANSAS’ is to commemorate the Confederate States of America.”

Unless things have changed since I worked at Walmart for nearly 9 years, they are not allowed to smooze their vendors representatives.

In fact when I was there they couldn't even take them off company property for a meal and instead had to eat at the headquarter cafeteria.

Yep, it's like that with a lot of retail chains now - back in the day you could take these guys on or send them on vacations, out to dinner, give them lavish gifts.

Now the buyers are mortified if you send them a bottle of wine, and they send it right back. Forget about going out for lunch. If they see you on the street on a weekend just by coincidence, they insist that they can't talk to you about business.

Either way Walmart is pulling any merchandise they find with the southern swastika on it from their shelves. Even the biggest retailers to souther white racist trash has gotten the point. Oh, and Mitt Romney has gotten the point too. It seems the argument has been won in the state of SC where they are drafting the legislation needed to pull that symbol of hate from being flown. I will agree it does belong in a museum explaining how it has been associated with the pro-racism movement and how long it has taken the pitiful racists of the south carolina to step away from their history of ignorance.

Now all that is left is for businesses to take a walk around their parking lots and fire workers for displaying this crap on their trucks.

Oh boy that is going to save countless lives..........

So what, exactly, is happening in the South?

Rational observer.

How many production plants abroad have you visited, as a percentage of all of Walmart's suppliers?

It is not about saving lives dumbass. I would imagine it is mostly about not shitting on their black customers and removing a symbol of racism. Then there is the lessening of it in the public view so it can die. Then there is also the statement that walmart is generally not against anyone. They are probably going to have to redesign all their dick dynasty merchandise now.