That is great, and I would be for most of that, but raising a child is so much more than money. Financial issues are a great way we can help parents achieve in raising children, but there are people who are not emotionally psychologically capable of raising children. We have enough parents offing their children due to snapping because the world convinced them children were not that hard to raise. Come on, every parent comes to that point where the truth hits them that they just radically altered their lives and a whole bunch of them start failing and snapping after that. A lot of them work through it, but they all get to that point where they have to shift their entire sense of being to continue on.
Not everybody can be a parent... Not everybody wants to be a parent... And people like @The Flashlight and @TheLonelySquire want to force that on those people? That's like people forcing Conservatives to get married to a same sex partner... Absolutely idiotic...
if you are not capable of being a parent - use birth control. Sorry but every convenience store sells condoms. As far as I know birth control pills are available to low income women thru various services. And if you cannot (somehow) find some type of birth control then either don't fuck, or get yourselves off sexually with ways other than actual penis/vagina intercourse.
I think this is a good effort at middle ground, and support those proposals. Too much of the reason people still argue over abortion is because all-or-nothing outcomes are politically advantageous and so that's all that ever gets proposed. That said, in a sane government we'd have the things you listed, but we'd still have some abortions. The fact is - and I speak as an escapee of the echo-chamber Flashy pretends to be in (severed spines and shit) - almost every bit of rhetoric employed by the pro-life sheep (and I say sheep because they are simply parroting what their politically ambitious greedy Pharisee puppet masters tell them without suspecting they are being lied to) is an inaccurate reflection of the realities of abortion (and pregnancy) as it occurs in this country. Surgical abortions past the point of viability are a TINY fraction of those which occur and almost always happen for exceptional reasons. They are ten times (or more) as expensive and no one who's aborting as a method of contraception waits until mast mid-term to get around to getting a far-more-costly abortion. But that's precisely the sort of scare-language the Pharisees use to manipulate the ill-informed. On the other end of the spectrum, it's been often pointed out here that the majority of "products of conception" spontaneously abort before the mother even realizes they exist so unless one wishes to argue that (because life begins at conception so they say) the majority of all the humans God ever created never drew their first breath on Earth, then calculating pregnancy (for the purpose of this discussion) from conception is just stupid. Therefore, logically, one has to establish some OTHER point during the pregnancy when the fetus becomes a person in the sense of legal protection. Before that point, completely unrestricted abortion ought to be a given. If natural abortions are common one cannot feasibly legislate assisted abortions. What date one chooses for the commencement of personhood, and how to regulate the window between that point and viability (if such a window is left since viability will be the starting point in the opinion of many) should be the only place left over which a debate is sensible. Interestingly, the point of viability is usually suggested to be at 22-25 weeks... ...and studies also indicate that while some electrical impulses in the brain have been detected as early as 12 weeks, nothing approaching higher brain function, including brain waves and ability to process pain signals, exists before about 24 weeks. So logically the "pro-life" argument would be only certain abortions past the first trimester, and the pro-choice argument would be that that limit should fall (as it more or less does now) somewhere from 20 weeks to the end of the second trimester. Personally, I like the 20 week line. It's the halfway point, it's long after a spontaneous abortion would be common but safely before the fetus can be demonstrated to feel pain or sense danger. It's late enough that almost every mother will have had time to find out she's pregnant and weigh her options, without being too soon for her to make her best decision. If we said "before 20 weeks, do as you will, after it is only permitted in these restrictive circumstances" then you wouldn't need the rape and incest hypocrisy because such cases would be resolved before 20 weeks. But then, our body politic is anything but logical and rational.
It's so weird...I can remember having this same conversation with you from the other side as shep. You've changed so much...I'm glad to see that you haven't abandoned your logical side in the stereotypical way associated with females. Freedom looks good on ya.
Well, seeing as how many miscarried fetuses wind up in the toilet ... I hope tptb don't think I'm gonna advocate diving in after it
I will say it again, a baby is a terrible punishment for being irresponsible sexually. Stop trying to use it as one because you make a lot of wasted lives. A baby is a Fucking baby that needs someone who is prepared and with it. A person who got pregnant by accident is not prepared or with it. If you want to split shame them that is your opinion but do not use a living feeling needing life to punish them.
This seems like a good way for people to get themselves arrested. Spitting on someone is considered assault, after all, due to the many different types of diseases that are passed through body fluids, so sending someone in authority something soaked in blood is just plain stupid. I am amused at yet another example of the feminist obsession with menstral blood, though.
I do like it. Of course, 1-3 are all part of proper Universal healthcare anyway, and #4 makes good sense as social policy anyway as well. What makes these suggestions good IMO is that they don't reward controversial behaviour, as would be the case with support targeted specifically at underage or single parents. Even if I have nothing against the behaviour that leads, for instance, to single parenthood, there is no reason to make its support public policy when you can instead implement measures that are more egalitarian. Of course, 5) has to be proper access to child healthcare and 6) proper access to good schools.
Well, one of the better ways to reduce the amount of pregnancies is better sex-ed... Not just abstinence, but proper education about how you can have sex but don't end up pregnant or with an STD... And stop demonizing sex, it's not just for procreation... It seems to work here in Holland, most abortions here are for health reasons concerning the mother... And the health of the mother should trump that of the fetus or sometimes, after the 22 weeks, of the baby(but that situation is thankfully ultra-rare)...
Aside from churches, does anyone in the U.S. actually "demonize" sex? And even churches only demonize so to speak for unmarried people. They have no problem whatsoever (and even encourage it) for married couples.
It's about not killing children. There is nothing else to consider unless you're onboard with killing children.
Well, one of the better ways to reduce the amount of pregnancies is better sex-ed... Not just abstinence, but proper education about how you can have sex but don't end up pregnant or with an STD... And stop demonizing sex, it's not just for procreation... It seems to work here in Holland, most abortions here are for health reasons concerning the mother... And the health of the mother should trump that of the fetus or sometimes, after the 22 weeks, of the baby(but that situation is thankfully ultra-rare)... Rinceweind No shit sex isn't just for procreation - but if someone isn't smart enough to have recreational sex without ending up pregnant (often over & over again) maybe they need to get another hobby. And even if you teach proper sex education that doesn't mean everyone wants to learn it or gives a shit at all. Sorry but Holland and the US are "apples & oranges." Do many of your high schools have a 50 percent drop-out rate? Al the sex education in the world won't help if it falls on deaf ears. Is it common your cities to have tens of thousands of single-parent families with several kids with different (absent) fathers? What works in Holland works in Holland because (in many cases) the culture is completely different. Bottom line pound-for-pound the US has many more people that just don't give a fuck and don't put much value in personal responsibility, education, self discipline, etc. so they make more bad decisions on a daily basis.
