The Southern Swastika

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  1. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Yeah, I was just browsing the declaration of secession of SC:

    Pretty clear - "Waaaah, they wanna take our slaves away!"
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    Muad always did enjoy lying about the causes of the civil war ("It was about states rights not slavery!") but even just a quick look at what the treasonous southerners said and wrote made it clear their only care was slavery and an irrational fear that Lincoln was some how going to abolish it, something he explicitly said he didn't want to do. He just didn't want slavery expanding into new states.

    Yet just like the modern gun nuts who claim even the weakest and most moderate measure of background checks prior to gun purchases are some how identical to "gun gradding" the old south worked themselves into an irrational fear based upon nonsense which only existed in their own delusional minds. That is a very unattractive cultural trait which many southerners still have and worse they are trying to spread it.
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  3. gturner

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    Democrats are always doing that. For the past decade they've been screaming that a 2 C rise in temperatures will wipe out all of humanity, when it hardly gets us back to the Holocene climate optimum or Roman Warm Period.
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  4. Ten Lubak

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    Sweatshop is definitely overstating things, but of the factories I've personally seen I wouldn't call it "bad working conditions" either - it is however extremely hard work, make no mistake. You're working in a factory for 8 hours a day or more, the factory is incredibly hot (I always bring a spare shirt when I visit because I sweat like a whore in church when I'm touring the floor), they usually stink especially if you're visiting a tuna factory. But, they're well kept, safe and clean. There's different jobs on the floor but they mostly involve fast paced, repetitive work. Doing something like that 5 days a week would drive me crazy personally. WalMart is definitely profiting immensely from the incredibly hard work of these laborers - they probably should get paid more than they do. Sweatshops definitely exist that are much worse than what I have seen, but to be honest Western companies are shying more and more away from that as their consumers become more socially aware. The companies who are buying from sweatshops and keeping them in business are mostly in the Middle East and Asia.

    I'll share an anecdote, I was just in Sumatra, Indonesia 2 months ago at a pineapple factory that also happens to be a WalMart approved supplier. They have around 5000 employees, but it's not so much a factory as it is a community. They have over 70,000 acres of land - mostly pineapple plantation - and they also have residences for their employees which are like small 1 or two bedroom apartments, they have a hospital, several restaurants/cafeterias (the food was excellent), a free transit system, and they even have places of worship - a church, a mosque and a temple. The guys giving me the tour all said they enjoyed living and working there, one guy was 3rd generation - his dad and grandfather had all worked for the company and lived on the grounds. In the remote area we were in, the factory is the best option for steady pay and work and fair treatment because there's not much else going on. The whole thing really blew my mind to be honest - in the 12 years I've been doing this I had never seen anything like that.
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  5. Elwood

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    I've seen that, second-hand, from the other side. One of my Professors way back when I was in college was a retired WalMart executive. He had some horrific stories about what they did to suppliers. One of the ones that stuck with me was the discount. For those playing the home game, it's fairly common for companies to offer a discount if you pay the invoice quickly. Say, a 2% discount if you pay net-30. WalMart would often take 180+ days to pay and still subtract the 2% discount even though they were 160+ days late in paying. Don't like it? Fine. WalMart will simply stop buying from you. That's usually enough to send even the largest suppliers running.
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  7. Amaris

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    Main topic: I'm fine with the removal of the Confederate flag from official buildings, and such. That just makes sense. Now if you want to fly it in your front yard, more power to you. Otherwise, off the state buildings and properties.

    Secondary discussion: Walmart is the King of cutting corners. When I worked there, we helped build the damn place, putting up shelves, setting up the POS system (I got to do that!), building the frames for all of the hanging merchandise. Assembling countertops and so on. It was all us, the employees, and we got paid $7 an hour for the privilege. You'd think something like that would be frowned upon, you know, what with our severe lack of construction experience, but everyone looked the other way. When the store opened, I took up my job of Electronics Associate (who also watched Toys, Hardware, Furniture, Soft lines, and Sporting Goods).

    TL;DR - Fuck Walmart for their shitty treatment of everybody.
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  8. Ten Lubak

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    Well paying months beyond the stated terms and including the discount isn't limited to just WalMart, a ton of my asshole customers try and do that. We really have to monitor it. :lol:

    Such shady behavior though.
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    There are always two sides to everything. If we save a dollar today (by buying cheap things at Walmart) we can't see (or don't want to see) how ten years down the road it could put your family out of work. That's very much the gist of a bargain - what did I save today, right now. What is he ultimate price I'm paying? That's a million years from now, I just saved a dollar on potato chips.
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Rebel Wilson needs to change her name.
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Okay now we are just making stuff up. This has to be an Onion type of thing.
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    I've done the exact same job you talk about only I was making exactly half as much as you got paid at that time.

    Still, if you work there long enough and buy into the employee stock purchase plan you can end up with a nice bit of money.
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    Since I was making minimum wage, we're likely looking at a significant time span between our respective jobs. You made less money, but you also paid less for food and things of that nature. As for the employee stock purchase plan, it could work, but that's an option in many places, not just Walmart, and that's if you had the money to put into the plan, which most people probably don't if they're working there on minimum wage.
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    They should handle it the same way the Germans handle World War II memorials, whatever that is. Evil cause, innocent men.
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    That would mean memorials dedicated to the victims of the war on all, in this case: both, sides, decrying jingoism. Not fitting to the political interests expressed by such remembrances so far.
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    We should also only allow Civil War reenactments of battles that the North won. :yes:
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    Agreed. I also think that as this plays out, a lot of people's fears are being confirmed. Most people can probably agree that the Battle Flag needs to go. But, now it's spilling over into other things. People are wanting buildings, streets, schools, and even counties renamed. The people that actually are interested in this for the right reasons have given an inch and now some people want to take a mile.
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    That wouldn't be many. Then again battles don't win/lose wars.......logistics do. If you don't have the supply lines/infrastructure/industry/etc. you are doomed. :bergman:

    BTW I wonder if they run out of uniforms for a Civil War reenactment do they go all HS gym class and do a "shirts and skins" thing to tell them apart? Muad isn't here to give us the scoop anymore.
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    Very offended by this flag. Please remove slowly

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    She can be on my flagpole all day long!
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    Why do you want the flag at half staff?
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Right......more like those GIANT flagpoles they put up along the DMZ in Korea that can be seen for miles.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    You old folks might understand this epic hilarity:
    "when you see the southern swastika for the first time......"
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    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    Okay, yeah. That certainly crosses the line.
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    The only thing left is banning the biggest symbol of slavery, the Democrat party.
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    You want some line crossing? Some fucking BRANIAC had this going on the Fort Bragg webpage. This is an actual screenshot kids! :facepalm:
    Yep - thankfully The Army said "not no, but hell no" to even thinking about changing the names of the many Army bases in The South names after Confederate heros. It's not about winning or losing, it's about INDIVIDUAL HEROISM IN BATTLE. I think we have an Army base out west named after a Native American Apache or something. I hope whoever put up that page about changing Fort Bragg is curled up in the fetal position sobbing in shame. BTW here is my suggestion if they ever want to rename Fort Gordon: FORT SUKADIK :D

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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Fort Liberace!
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