Don't fly Malaysia Airlines!

@John , what's the score called and who composed it?

My specialty in history is the Cold War. So when I'm writing, conducting research and looking at maps, I'm frequently dealing with West Germany and not just "Germany".

Finally going to get that BA in history, are we?

I'm sure Dayton is ready to do his part.

And by his part I mean volunteer our soldiers to go die so he can rub one out in front of FOXNEWS.

Dayton would be the kind of asshole that writes checks.

"Invincible" by Thomas J. Bergersen. He's the same guy who wrote "Freedom Fighters" on his Two Steps From Hell album.

The thing is, as much as I dislike FOX news (and most major 24/7 news agencies in general), they've been telling the same story as everyone else. I'm sure that will change, but you know he's over the line when even FOX news is behaving.

Europe will do nothing. America will do nothing. Any questions?

Another list I didn't make.

I have you in other ones. You're in the first, and I think the 3rd:

It's times like this that I am especially curious as to what Dayton teaches in his history class. And at the same time, I really don't want to know.

My reply wasn't about FOX being good or bad, it was about Dayton being an idiot and warmonger.

That's what I'm saying, though. Usually, news networks like FOX love to jump onto the political bandwagon, but even they had the good grace to step back and wait for at least the day. Dayton couldn't even manage that.

Does it surprise anyone that Dayton would follow Rush Limbaugh's lead?

I don't give a rip about Rush Limbaugh.

I think I heard part of one show in the 1990s.

Has he changed any?

This is an total tragedy, the best that can be hoped is that most people died almost instantly in the initial explosion or at least quickly lost consciousness after the cabin was ruptured.

There will be a lot of political posturing from this, but I ultimately don't expect it to change much in the Ukraine as the pro-Russian side will never admit responsibility.

Given your past dismissal of civilian causalities due to military activities it's commendable you now seem to believe that the USA murdered the 290 people on board Iran Air Flight 655.

The same America that never accepted responsibility or liability for doing the exact same thing?

edit: Since you raised the value of human life, that incident showed American valuation of human life as being $300,000 for a wage earner, and $150,000 for a non wage earner.

Well since that occured in sovereign Iranian air space Dayton no doubt believes it was an unavoidable incident in the quest to protect American interests. After all, murder is ok when it's about American interests.

Considering the Brits practically invented that philosophy.....

I was unaware that every British citizen is accountable for the philosophies of our ancestors anymore than you are responsible for the idea that slavery was worth keeping? Dayton, in contrast, has expressly stated that any number of deaths are ok if American interests are served.

Still, your choice if you choose to side with a detestable clown like him.

I don't side with Dayton. I just happen to find the newfound British puritanical attitudes, post Falklands amusing.

Only if you see as as one dimensional morons who wholeheartedly endorse and support any action ever carried our in the name of the nation for over a thousand years. But then that would be rather silly, wouldn't it?

I doubt El Chup could even vote at the time of the Falklands, so there's nothing at all contradictory about making a statement about the wrongness of some actions in the present day since he would likely agree they were also wrong in the past.

Most certainly, even though I follow the realpolitik school of political science.

He's not that young.

Plus the Falklands is an entirely different example anyway, primarily because not only was it sovereign British territory but, most importantly, it's inhabitants wanted to be British and did not wish to be invaded and occupied by a foreign force.

I think that's a bit different from shooting down a civilian airliner in the airspace of a sovereign nation, or invading a country and killing half a million people for regional placing, to use one of Dayton's many examples of acceptable deaths.

There is realpolitik and then there's dismissing and showing lack of compassion for unjust civilian casualties because they are too remote from one's own life as Dayton will quite happily do.

I seem to recall form the news at least, the Brits being right in the thick of it in Iraq. If fact, British solidarity on that sealed the deal for us going there and fighting that detestable war. So, don't go and try and swing that bat too hard.

Where did the U.S. kill half a million people? If you're saying Iraq the vast majority of Iraqis who died since the U.S. led invasion were killed by other Iraqis.

Tragic but not our responsibility.

As for the Falklands, what did the British do there that was wrong?

I followed the conflict avidly when I was in high school. Every half hour there was a news update on our radio stations and I practically planned my day around it.

It's sad how many Americans criticize British action in the Falklands without knowing this fact.

I am not Dayton, I can fully appreciate the cost in lives that US foreign policy has churned up. However, the actions nation states take pursuing their economic and strategic agendas very rarely have no such cost associated with them. Unfortunately.

An insurgency that would not have happened but for our invasion.

No, of course not. Bombing the shit out of infrastructure and creating a war zone has no relation to war deaths.

I don't know, you tell us. You're the one admonishing the British.